Background
Bill Gurley is a general partner at Benchmark Capital. We cover the current venture capital landscape, the marketplace model, and user generated content businesses.
Date
February 7, 2019
Episode Number
137
Tags
Venture Capital
Principles & Lessons:
- Network effects are real but not binary—understanding their gradient structure and decay is essential to making good investment decisions. Gurley emphasizes that network effects are not on/off switches but exist along a spectrum: “There are companies that are wildly prone to network effects... and they almost always decay at some level.” He urges investors to avoid cargo-culting the term, noting that it’s “polluted” in pitch decks. His mental model of graphing value to the customer versus market penetration allows for precise, structure-sensitive analysis: “If the 10,000th customer has a meaningfully better experience than the 1,000th, then you likely have a network effect.” The key insight is not to ask “is there a network effect?” but “what is the function describing the marginal value of additional participation?”—an epistemically richer formulation.
- Getting a network to tip requires unscalable actions early—scale dynamics emerge only after localized quality takes hold. Gurley argues that early-stage marketplaces and UGC businesses succeed when founders do “tons of unscalable things”: “We’re not going to do it at scale. This is a flywheel. We’re trying to get the flywheel spinning.” His concept of “liquidity quality” captures this: it's better to have intense engagement in a narrow scope than broad but shallow reach. Citing Yelp, he contrasts their focus on nightclub reviews in SF with competitors who pursued breadth via bulk data ingestion: “They had way more breadth... but they had no depth.” This illustrates that initial engagement must create self-reinforcing quality before scaling—a point that rejects abstract scaling theory in favor of path-dependent system building.
- Marketplace defensibility depends on supply-side structure—fragmentation and promiscuity are critical enabling conditions. Gurley distinguishes between businesses prone to monopolistic capture and those structurally open to marketplace aggregation. For example, “Babysitters are prone to monogamy... Restaurants are prone to promiscuity.” In fragmented, high-churn markets with low supplier power, a marketplace can insert itself as an intermediary with low friction. He contrasts Grubhub’s early challenges trying to work with large chains like Subway with success serving small local restaurants. The broader principle is that the structural preconditions of supplier behavior—switching costs, power asymmetry, fragmentation—determine whether a marketplace can achieve increasing returns. These are empirical features, not narrative ones.
- Focusing on demand is more important than supplier onboarding—what matters is usage, not catalog size. Gurley cautions against overvaluing supply-side metrics in marketplace businesses: “Most suppliers are easy to sign up... demand is the game.” He notes that lead-gen platforms masquerade as marketplaces, but their value is transactional, not systemic: “You become an outsourced marketing services provider, not a network-effect business.” In other words, unless customer-side liquidity drives recurring usage and reinforces supplier incentive loops, the system lacks self-sustaining feedback. The signal for investors is not inventory breadth, but organic retention and utilization intensity.
- Availability of capital has distorted strategic rationality—investors are underwriting low-return businesses under the illusion of scale advantages. Gurley critiques the current capital abundance as enabling strategies that mask poor business fundamentals: “If you're saying that you've got a low cost of capital and you're going to fund a business because of it... you're excited about funding low-return businesses.” He highlights a key epistemic error: confusing market share escalation with economic efficiency. Founders are reacting to capital-fueled competition with unsustainable subsidy tactics: “You could be fiscally prudent, but you're off the field.” This is not just a financial problem—it reflects a broader failure to reason about competitive dynamics in a structurally sound way.
- Traditional IPOs are inefficient pricing mechanisms that fail fiduciary obligations—direct listings better align incentives and price discovery. Gurley critiques the standard IPO process for misallocating capital through underpricing: “Zoom and CrowdStrike left $600 million on the table each by pricing too low.” He argues that underwriters operate through opaque allocation processes and that this is fundamentally flawed: “If you went to 100 finance academics... they would say use a Dutch auction.” Gurley sees direct listings, like Spotify’s and Slack’s, as corrective structures that “match buyers and sellers properly and avoid relationship-based mispricing.” This is a critique grounded in clear institutional epistemology: if the mechanism doesn’t optimize for truth-seeking price discovery, then it's broken.
- Regulatory capture insulates incumbents and suppresses innovation—technology firms face structural friction in regulated markets. Gurley explains that entrenched incumbents use their influence to block competition: “Regulation is the friend of the incumbent.” He offers the case of AT&T lobbying against city-wide wifi and criticizes banks for slow ACH settlement: “They did it for all the wrong reasons... to protect themselves.” This points to a deeper epistemic flaw: when rule-making is shaped by the regulated, rather than by generalizable principles or consumer benefit, it distorts the innovation landscape. Gurley’s broader stance is that disruption must navigate not just markets, but embedded power structures that affect what's possible.
- Value creation in software and marketplaces depends on understanding capital intensity and return on invested capital—not just topline growth. Gurley stresses that “not all revenue is created equal.” He distinguishes between businesses with high return on invested capital and those propped up by capital infusion without unit economics: “Entrepreneurs will be surprised when... they try to go public and realize how capital intensive their businesses are.” Gurley links this to long-term multiple compression: cash-flow efficiency is a better predictor of enterprise value than revenue growth. This is an epistemic assertion about measurement: without understanding what the revenue means structurally—its cost basis, its durability—you can’t reason properly about valuation.
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