Background
Rebecca Kaden is a partner at Union Square Ventures. We cover the three industries that USV is focusing on in its third generation thesis, issues with digital marketing, and the importance of strong mentorship throughout her career.
Date
January 21, 2020
Episode Number
155
Tags
Venture Capital
Principles & Lessons:
- Thesis-driven investing is a method of narrowing the hypothesis space to create epistemic focus, not just thematic preference. USV’s thesis evolution isn’t a shift in sectoral interest — it’s a discipline for guiding attention to specific mechanisms of value creation. Rebecca explains Thesis 1.0 focused on “large networks of engaged users,” Thesis 2.0 on infrastructure and decentralization, and Thesis 3.0 on “broadening access to knowledge, capital, and wellbeing.” These aren’t arbitrary domains — each thesis reflects a structural shift in what the internet makes possible. Rather than reacting to deal flow, USV constructs forward-looking hypotheses about where leverage emerges, which acts as a filter for idea evaluation. The deeper point is that thesis-driven investing is not about prediction, but about constraining what kinds of explanations you’re willing to consider plausible.
- The most powerful platform transitions occur not by extending old systems but by re-specifying the value to be delivered and re-architecting from first principles. In education, Rebecca critiques the dominant approach of “taking offline learning and putting it online,” arguing that this merely preserves institutional flaws. Instead, the opportunity is to rethink “what learning means.” Duolingo, Outschool, and Quizlet aren’t digital mirrors of school — they rebuild the learning experience based on the modalities of mobile, asynchronous, and crowd-sourced interaction. The epistemic move is to discard the inherited form and re-derive structure based on what is possible today. That’s where she sees Zoom as an enabling substrate: not for transplanting classrooms, but for making peer-to-peer and teacher-to-student interaction radically more legible and accessible.
- Technological deflation has been asymmetrically applied — and venture capital has largely ignored domains that resist easy scaling. Rebecca highlights the inflation graph that contrasts cost declines in areas like software and electronics with steep increases in healthcare and education. Her critique is that “venture capital and technology has almost exclusively focused on the bottom half of the graph.” This isn’t just a distributional failure — it reveals a selection bias in the type of problems startups choose to solve: ones with fast feedback loops and clear monetization paths. Yet the structural needs of society increasingly lie in the top half of that graph — domains with entrenched incumbents, misaligned incentives, and regulatory friction. The insight is that the next generation of value creation will come from solving high-friction problems, not low-hanging ones.
- Access to capital is a design problem — current financial institutions operate on models that structurally exclude the middle. USV’s investment in Stash is illustrative of a broader claim: most of the financial system operates under an AUM model that only serves the wealthy or penalizes the poor, leaving a structurally underserved middle. “It's built with a fear module,” Rebecca notes — hard to use, opaque, and inaccessible. Stash’s innovation wasn’t new asset classes but reframing investment as belief-driven, values-aligned, and non-intimidating. This reframing allowed it to onboard users who “had never invested before” through intuitive, low-friction experiences. The broader point is that inclusion often starts by simplifying cognitive load, not by inventing new instruments.
- The hardest startup problem is distribution — and the most underestimated variable is whether the product generates its own sharing rhythm. Rebecca is explicit that “the harder problem to solve is the distribution problem, not the product problem.” She looks for what she calls a “natural sharing rhythm” — not virality per se, but moments where usage compels communication or visibility. Dia&Co is a compelling example: when customers post photos to get feedback from friends, they’re not “marketing,” but engaging in a native behavior that spreads the product. This creates embedded, low-cost acquisition pathways. Distribution isn’t a post-hoc strategy layer; it’s often embedded in the product’s social surface area. Without this, scale becomes expensive and fragile.
- Facebook marketing was a temporal arbitrage — and digital marketing now requires fast, multi-channel experimentation, not platform optimization. Rebecca unpacks a structural shift in digital customer acquisition. In early years, Facebook provided access to undervalued attention: “you could go there and just pick [users] off.” That phase has ended — CACs are higher, engagement is fragmented, and “the platform itself has become more efficient.” The new model for digital marketing is agility: the best marketers will be “the fastest testers,” shifting rapidly across emerging platforms like Twitch, Roblox, or Fortnite. The lesson is that acquisition advantages are now fleeting arbitrage windows — and success depends less on mastery of a channel and more on speed of discovering and exiting transient opportunities.
- Community is not equivalent to connectivity — and future product strength will hinge on fostering belonging, not just scale. Rebecca draws a key distinction between networks and communities. Networks “scale,” but community “engages.” The test for community is whether users feel emotionally connected to each other in ways that matter. She uses Dia&Co as a case study: over time, users moved from product discovery to personal sharing to real-world relationships. This wasn’t an add-on — it transformed the brand from a transactional service to an identity-anchored platform. The deeper point is that in a world of infinite networks, belonging becomes scarce. Platforms that cultivate that — not just through forums but through earned trust and shared experience — will have deeper moats.
- SaaS and consumer investing may differ in surface metrics, but the epistemic structure — what causes retention, trust, and value accumulation — is shared. Rebecca resists the notion that SaaS and consumer investing are fundamentally different. While the surface metrics may differ, the structural questions she asks are the same: Where do users accumulate value over time? What’s the core loop or action that builds mounting loss? What product behavior indicates retention? Whether in consumer (like Pinterest) or healthcare SaaS (like Ribbon Health), Rebecca emphasizes that success comes from systems where repeated usage improves outcomes — not just for the user but for the network. Her focus is always on mechanisms that generate compounding effects — in engagement, trust, or data quality — which in turn allow for scalable defensibility.
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